8-9 Oct 2011 2day 1 nite to Kup Kup - interest check (CLOSED)

Audrey Cheong wrote:

Kimi, had you not encourage me to ride the rail track which I had never even dare to dream to ride & gave me tips on how to control the bike to go over the gravel filled track, I would have missed out the thrill of that challenge. I also gain confidence in riding rough terrain from it. Thank you.

You're welcomed Audrey!! You're one of the most amazing riders i have come across!!
Let's ignore the ignorants and continue to ride on!! Dont forget we're gonna conquer the KODH together!! yeah!!

Audrey Cheong wrote:

Mary_Ang wrote:

Mary_Ang wrote:

CAN ??? CAN??? put me on waitlist ??
Thanks

Yahoooooooo..... I'm IN!!!! Thks !!!

Mary, so sorry to forget PM you after I pulled out. I know you will enjoy! Ride safe

No worries ....

adrianelee wrote:

Hey.... it is just a ride.... if someone is not comfortable for whatever reason..... so be it and it is a personal reason that we should respect. There is no need for strong language like "bullshitting". Also please do not assume that everyone rides to the meeting point. Some of us buy foldies so that we can fold it up and take the public transport system be it cab, train or bus. And some of us drive hence we drive to the meet point, unfold and ride.

Just my two cents worth..Ride safe!

I apologise for my wrong assumption that Audrey's riding straight up via Upper Bkt Timah Rd to Wdlands meeting pt.

Audrey Cheong wrote:

I wish I am as brave as you assumed I am to ride that nightmarish stretch of road, the condition of which you rightly described.

My assumption is of you having ridden Upper Bkt Timah Rd, then the johor roads ain't much a problem to kukup. Hence is a waste to give up because of your crappy excuse of pothole or not, min. speed or not which i find doesn't make sense.

If your daughters got strong objection & you also worry about your daughters worry then straightfoward with reasons & not pothole or not, min speed or not. Is after zztc78 & prodik comments that you talk about your real reason.

On the part of local road conditions deteriorating, there has been more digging of roads to lay stuff. After that is a narrow patch of resurfaced area which is slightly higher than the undig surface. Even for the Ulu Pandan PCN closest to us we can still remember is closed & dug up for laying of newater pipes last year. 1st resurfacing is poorly done & is after 2nd resurfacing that is back to normal.

Audrey Cheong wrote:

Kimi, had you not encourage me to ride the rail track which I had never even dare to dream to ride & gave me tips on how to control the bike to go over the gravel filled track, I would have missed out the thrill of that challenge. I also gain confidence in riding rough terrain from it. Thank you.

Same logic but wrong assumption by me. Back again to my wrong assumption that if you have navigated through Upper Bkt Timah road then you have confidence in johor roads already. Hence a pity u decide not riding to kukup, such overseas trip don't come often & with heavy escort by experienced riders.

Frontier wrote:

I apologise for my wrong assumption

no prob man.. everyone makes mistake
and i admire people who admit and apologies.. ride on

frenzzsg wrote:

Frontier,

The ONE thing we all LOVE abt lovecycling is, it doesnt matter what bike you ride (roadies, mtb, foldies, fixie, any other bikes that u can think of), what outfit u wear (jersey, tee-shirts, tights, slippers,etc) what race you're, how old are you (9yrs to 60++yrs), what your speed is...we ride together!! it's the friendship, the fun & the joy that bring us together and that cant be done without a simple word call respect.

If it's some words of encouragement, tips or note to care, you're most welcomed to post your view, your opinion here.
The last thing we need here is to have someone starts to criticise or being hostile towards other riders.

Sorry if my words sounded harsh.

+1

Kimi's first paragraph should be like the pledge of LCSG when new members join in..... ha ha ha...like 加人黑社会.

"We, the riders of LCSG, pledge ourselves as one united riders, regardless of race, age, bikes, attire and speed, so as to achieve happiness, friendship and good food for our well-being"

Hi guys,

So sorry that we (Desmond & Darren Goh), hav to withdraw from the trip cos of last min work commitment.

frenzzsg wrote:

Hi Audrey, dun worry, we'll always see you in some other riders.

Frontier wrote:

...Hence is a waste to give up because of your crappy excuse of pothole or not, min. speed or not which i find doesn't make sense.
If your daughters got strong objection & you also worry about your daughters worry then straightfoward with reasons & not pothole or not, min speed or not. Is after zztc78 & prodik comments that you talk about your real reason.

Whoa I realised that Frontier was/is pissed off by the phrase "potholes or no potholes....".
Dont you realised it was half written in jest borrowing the words of "potholes and heavy traffic" warning from Zack's post?
If I had posted my decision before Zack's posting, I would not think of such phrase.
I could have simply posted a very cold one sentence statement without giving reason. But I know many in the lovecyclingsg and when posting I like to make the posting a bit more personal & friendly. However I see no necessity to give so many reasons even if I have to justify the cancellation. Nobody has time or will be interested to read.

You sounded as if I was interogated by Eddie and Zack hence forced to reveal the actual reason for chicken out.... sigh....

Clearly I had incl Zack's quote in that posting to show I am picking the words from there.

ztcc78 wrote:

.... road condition is heavy traffic and yes there are potholes we will be going at a faster pace and less rest points..

Frontier wrote:

Even for the Ulu Pandan PCN closest to us we can still remember is closed & dug up for laying of newater pipes last year. 1st resurfacing is poorly done & is after 2nd resurfacing that is back to normal.

Ulu Pandan PCN road surface is nicely paved and there are no potholes or uneven surface. The the clementi side and IBP side of pcn are now connected.

Frontier wrote:

Hence a pity u decide not riding to kukup, such overseas trip don't come often & with heavy escort by experienced riders.

No pity. My prefered routes are scenic countryside roads. I have ridden in scandinavian countries. Autumn is beautiful to ride. Only this year I didnt make the trip because of a few rarely organised up and coming adventurous trips in Sep and Oct. Nov will be too cold to be there.

Lugerider wrote:

Kimi's first paragraph should be like the pledge of LCSG when new members join in..... ha ha ha...like 加人黑社会.

"We, the riders of LCSG, pledge ourselves as one united riders, regardless of race, age, bikes, attire and speed, so as to achieve happiness, friendship and good food for our well-being"

I like I like

ztcc78 wrote:

Frontier wrote:

I apologise for my wrong assumption

no prob man.. everyone makes mistake
and i admire people who admit and apologies.. ride on

Zack is a very forgiving and caring young man, only a bit shy like gu niang but he is straight.
As far as I know Zack is single and available.

frenzzsg wrote:

You're welcomed Audrey!! You're one of the most amazing riders i have come across!!
Let's ignore the ignorants and continue to ride on!! Dont forget we're gonna conquer the KODH together!! yeah!!

Thanks thanks

Audrey Cheong wrote:

ztcc78 wrote:

Frontier wrote:

I apologise for my wrong assumption

no prob man.. everyone makes mistake
and i admire people who admit and apologies.. ride on

Zack is a very forgiving and caring young man, only a bit shy like gu niang but he is straight.
As far as I know Zack is single and available.

Ah Zack oi ...

Audrey Cheong wrote:

I am relieved and pleased to pull out with no regrets. this will be like a marathon race which is to me.

Potholes or no potholes, min speed or no min speed required, I am pulling out. The highway is too dangerous & scaring for me to ride, more so with slow speed.

Audrey, having ridden with you before... the Kukup trip should be no problem for you in terms of distance and terrain. I am not too worry about speed as I believe 1. you still have time to train for stamina and strength. 2. the group will not leave you behind even if you are slow. Skills wise... fair enough to go on the road and should have no problems handling Malaysia traffic and again, I am confident the organiser and helpers will ensure the safety of all riders are in good hands.

But having said that, you did the right thing to pull out when you don't feel confident seeing yourself doing it. From the safety aspect, we take care of our own safety and we are responsible of it. So we must act accordingly and do the right thing to ensure our own safety. Example, if traffic is too heavy and one is not confident of riding with the traffic, if there is a need to push the bike on the pavement, by all means do so, better to be safe than sorry.

So maintain this right attitude, do the right things and you can enjoy riding for as long as you want. Meanwhile just prepare yourself for the next more exciting ride that comes up... Ride Hard! Ride Safe!!

frenzzsg wrote:

Frontier,

The ONE thing we all LOVE abt lovecycling is, it doesnt matter what bike you ride (roadies, mtb, foldies, fixie, any other bikes that u can think of), what outfit u wear (jersey, tee-shirts, tights, slippers,etc) what race you're, how old are you (9yrs to 60++yrs), what your speed is...we ride together!! it's the friendship, the fun & the joy that bring us together and that cant be done without a simple word call respect.

If it's some words of encouragement, tips or note to care, you're most welcomed to post your view, your opinion here.
The last thing we need here is to have someone starts to criticise or being hostile towards other riders.

Sorry if my words sounded harsh.

There is no "Like" button in here.... but still......................................................

Well Said...!!!

Frontier wrote:

The fear of road conditions in Johor is not your actual reason for pulling out before i scroll down to read your daughters worry.

Why i know u are bullshitting? Because living on outskirts of clementi you'll very likely to ride up to Woodlands meeting point via Upper Bukit Timah road. With circle line construction, that stretch of road is not a friendly road. I would say its condition is among the worst in sg at the moment. If can ride that stretch i see no reason why cannot ride across the causeway. The group just need to clear the JB city center early to avoid the traffic buildup when people start driving.

There's not much to fear riding in Johor. Sg road conditions like crime rate(latest being corpse behind istana) has been deteriorating over the years. Impatience of increasing no. of drivers in our hectic environment too.

Pace of life here is morphing into the bus in Speed movie - Must stay above 80km/h or else the bus rigged with bomb will explode & kill everyone onboard. Escalator not fast enough - keep left so people can chiong up on right side.

Hi Frontier,

You may meant well to encourage Audrey not to give up the trip so easily and miss all the fun but you surely did not approach it correctly and nicely. Two things I must say about your comments:

1. I think it doesn't cost anything to be friendly but the yield is definitely much rewarding than you can imagine... which is Friendships. In a community, friendship means a lot as it helps us to learn and grow. It makes joining the community more meaningful and fun and these are the whole purpose of joining a community, otherwise, you are better off being alone.

2. As a person advocating safe cycling, I would discourage people to give encouragement to another rider in the "wrong" way. We need to understand that every individual has different physiques, stamina, strength and skills, we should not "encourage" or "push" another rider base on our own physiques, stamina, strength, skills and judgement because this way we will stress out the rider physically and mentally and it could turn hazardous to the rider's health and safety on the roads. Example, we do not know if the rider has any underlying health conditions and if we keep "pushing" the rider in a way like "come on, come on, you can do it, keep going...!!", we would not know when the rider's body cannot take it and he/she may snap. While it may seems that we are being encouraging but it is more like pushing in this case. Likewise, a rider may not be comfortable or capable of riding at a certain speed or on a certain terrain and our "encouragement' to he/she to do it will become stressful and dangerous to the rider.

Let's do the right things, help each other, enjoy the rides and friendships...

Ride Hard! Ride Safe!!!

Audrey Cheong wrote:

Lugerider wrote:

Kimi's first paragraph should be like the pledge of LCSG when new members join in..... ha ha ha...like 加人黑社会.

"We, the riders of LCSG, pledge ourselves as one united riders, regardless of race, age, bikes, attire and speed, so as to achieve happiness, friendship and good food for our well-being"

I like I like

+1 like

So many like here and there majiam Facebook like that leh....but best I really like most is 阿公讲古 very meaningful....like like plus very like +1000 hahaha

goat wrote:

Audrey, having ridden with you before... the Kukup trip should be no problem for you in terms of distance and terrain. I am not too worry about speed as I believe 1. you still have time to train for stamina and strength. 2. the group will not leave you behind even if you are slow. Skills wise... fair enough to go on the road and should have no problems handling Malaysia traffic and again, I am confident the organiser and helpers will ensure the safety of all riders are in good hands.

But having said that, you did the right thing to pull out when you don't feel confident seeing yourself doing it. From the safety aspect, we take care of our own safety and we are responsible of it. So we must act accordingly and do the right thing to ensure our own safety. Example, if traffic is too heavy and one is not confident of riding with the traffic, if there is a need to push the bike on the pavement, by all means do so, better to be safe than sorry.

So maintain this right attitude, do the right things and you can enjoy riding for as long as you want. Meanwhile just prepare yourself for the next more exciting ride that comes up... Ride Hard! Ride Safe!!

Wow my two sentences posting lead to so many response. Must thank Frontier instead of "hantum" him.

Honurable Safe Cyling Chief Steven, thank you for your good assessment on my riding skill.
One bar of confident up and m happy I collect two bars of confidence altogether today .

This morning humming your "san ge" (in the head, unable out loud) and with the help of grandma chainring & grandpa gear, I was able to huff and puff up the slopes. Verdict is I prefer to keep a distance from them! Dont like to befriend them! But I am not afraid of them liao.

Well said. I agree with all that you said in the posting on safety issue.

I know the group will never leave any weak rider behind no matter how slow. I havent forgotten the care & support Sharon, TW and the others shown, bending certain rules in the 128 ride. Also the support and care shown in all other rides.
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Before signing up to join a serious ride, I try as much as possible to ensure that I am not too far off from their level & the route is not to difficult to tackle as to cause inconvenience or slow them to their near teary/sleepy speed. I want to be considerate to others.

I know the group gives top priority to road safety but I also want to feel I am able to be in full control of my own safety when riding on main/busy roads. If I am not hundred percent in taking full control of my own road safety, I could also endanger others thru no fault of their own.

We all know Audrey is a very wise lady and she knows when not to "chiong". She is our rainbow girl that always show up after rain! We love you Aurdrey!

Hugs + Kisses from Joeel & Esther

Cru55 wrote:

We all know Audrey is a very wise lady and she knows when not to "chiong". She is our rainbow girl that always show up after rain! We love you Aurdrey!

Hugs + Kisses from Joeel & Esther

Well said

Cru55 wrote:

We all know Audrey is a very wise lady and she knows when not to "chiong". She is our rainbow girl that always show up after rain! We love you Aurdrey!

Hugs + Kisses from Joeel & Esther

I am grateful to meet and know many lovecylingsg members with hearts of care, cheers , love , encouragement,..... I could go on singling them out and thank them one by one.

But this forum is about the Kukup trip. It has become a ground for general discussion and worse, I felt I became the centre of attention . I am truly embarassed!

I will keep the reply to a short and sweet BIG THANK YOU from the bottom of my heart to all incl Frontier.

Sorry had been very busy lately to visit all the forums.

Hey apologies but me and Amy have to pull out of the event. Amy's new bike is not on schedule and wont make it for the ride and she does not want to take up the kind offers of a bike loan from some kind fellows here as she is stressed that she might damage your bikes. I don't want to go off cycling without her hence we have decided to pull out. Our sincere apologies to Clarence for the trouble.

adrianelee wrote:

Hey apologies but me and Amy have to pull out of the event. Amy's new bike is not on schedule and wont make it for the ride and she does not want to take up the kind offers of a bike loan from some kind fellows here as she is stressed that she might damage your bikes. I don't want to go off cycling without her hence we have decided to pull out. Our sincere apologies to Clarence for the trouble.

Hey Adriane,

no problem and not to worry there will be more oversea trips....my next oversea trip will be Desaru....Stay tuned....

Hi all,
Will you be cycling towards Yishun mrt or masiling etc, if yes, may I tag along. Thanks!